Voelker - Really, this thread should be removed from the forum. Peggy's claim was dropped because it was completely bogus. This priest is a nice decent guy. Not everyone in the ministry is but [b]Fr Nick is NOT a pervert in anyway[/b]. But he is a pretty handsome guy so its easy to see how someone as imbalanced as this person lost control of her emotions and lost her way. I hope you find your way back to sanity, Peggy.....

fubar101 Registered Member Posts: 11 (7/15/06 2:43 am) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts Why would you come here and say such cruel things? I know people who got big settlements and yet the Church worded the agreement as if the abuse never occurred. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, does it? It just means that they figured out a way to say that it didn't happen when they know it did happen. I don't know anybody involved in the situation on this strand. What I do know is that nbody would go through what someone is put through to come forward if the claim in bogus. It's hard to survive it all and it is not worth the money, it is just the only way to get change. I hae been hearing people say "so and so was making it up" or "so and so was not abused" or "so and so is loony and that is why they are saying this" for years. It takes a lot of courage to stand up and say what happened and how you were hurt. It takes no courage to do what you just did though, "truthsayer". Pegy's name is on the line, saying what happened. You hide your meanness behind a pretend name. On those groups and all the above ones, you are not credible, Trythsayer.
ironman Registered Member Posts: 4 (7/15/06 12:38 pm) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts Quote: This priest is a nice decent guy. Not everyone in the ministry is but Fr Nick is NOT a pervert in anyway. But he is a pretty handsome guy so its easy to see how someone as imbalanced as this person lost control of her emotions and lost her way. If holding a woman down and humping her leg is being decent then it sounds like Charles Manson is up for the "Humanitarian of the Year" award. Why do people use names with "truth' in them and then say anything but the truth?
jamais Registered Member Posts: 109 (7/15/06 11:21 pm) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts Truthsayer, you obviously don't know all the facts about this situation. Since you don't, I would have to say your assertions are bogus.
Hannahsangel Registered Member Posts: 135 (7/15/06 11:30 pm) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts How can anyone be so cruel? Truthsayer, you sign on with a user name to make such a statement? How awful.
sammypomp Registered Member Posts: 98 (7/16/06 2:43 am) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts am tired of priest groupies... here where i live there was a catholic deacon who was arrested and accused of 62 counts of sexual assault on a 12 year old boy that happened as late as last summer... the deacon pled not guilty most of the parish went on record in the newpaper claiming the deacon would never do such a thing.. they all went to court they rallied round the perp trashed the victim.. they collected money for the perps defense then about 2 months ago the trial was suppose to begin and with all his groupies in the court house he pled "guilty" to all 62 counts.. when the shocked judge asked why did you plead guilty..? the perp said "because i did it" this included sodomy and forced oral oh how the women and men thought the deacon was wonderful, handsome whatever.. it seems like many people are fed up with catholics especially catholics who are delusional i know i am... i am not catholic any more so i am around other non catholics and they are outraged by catholics and others who trash the victims didnt the john jay report say that less than 2 % of all allegations were unfounded.. ( and that was because of lack of proof not necessarily because it didnt happen)
fubar101 Registered Member Posts: 12 (7/16/06 8:22 pm) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts When people say a priest is handsome it always makes me want to puke my guts up. "Oh Granny, what big EYES you have!" The better to see you with my dear!" "Oh granny, what big teeth you have." "The better to EAT you with my dear!"
ironman Registered Member Posts: 5 (7/17/06 9:37 am) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts Truthsayer, If you think that Voelkler is such a nice guy, Then maybe you should get him to babysit your teenage daughter.
Hannahsangel Registered Member Posts: 137 (7/17/06 9:56 am) Reply	Re: Voelker whereabouts Well said Ironman~~ They say Theodore Robert "Ted" Bundy was a handsome and nice guy too.
PegyJ Registered Member Posts: 12 (7/24/06 8:44 pm) Reply | Edit	Re: Voelker whereabouts Hey All, Thanks for backing me up while I've been on siesta. What more can I say - you guys said it all...we just need to remember to keep "Truthsayer" in our prays. The truth is always hard to swallow. Ciou, Peggy

Voelker - so on the wichita TV it said peggy only go $15000 in settelment, that's not very much.
Also the DA said on TV that warren continued to contact voelker even after he moved to CG, Now if someone abused me then i wouldn't continue trying to contact them. also the tv said the 2nd occurance happened in MO while on vacation, now if someone abused me I wouldn't be taking them on vacation, I may say fine, you're forgiven but still keep them at an arms length. Just seems a little fishy.
Also the DA said there were letters from Warren to Voelker, If warren wants to tell ironman details about the assult for everyone to read then why doesn't she share details of those letters? or are those details going to be what the DA of wichita found? (that it was consensual)

also people from CG saw Warren in CG with her baby and another woman,
now if someone abused me, twice by this time I would not be going to see my offender with my baby, my husband would be going to see the offender to pound him.
what would the woman that was there that day say? what would the neighbors say was yelled out the window of the car that day.

ironman Registered Member Posts: 25 (9/3/06 3:48 pm) Reply

Re: What's the real truth Quote: so on the wichita TV it said peggy only go $15000 in settelment, that's not very much. Also the DA said on TV that warren continued to contact voelker even after he moved to CG It also said on TV that "We have proof that Iraq has stockpiles of nuclear weapons of mass destruction. " I supose that you still believe that too. If you believe everything that you see on TV? Here's some news for you, Wrestling is also fake. Just because there are alot of tv shows newspaper articles about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny does not mean that they are real. Sex abuse is real. Maybe you need to understand the difference between fantasy and reality. Priest are holy and would not do anything wrong is a fantasy that we all here would wish was true, then none of us would be here. The priesthood being a haven for sexual predators is a reality. If the diocese gave any her money in a settlement, That should show you that the diocese did not want this to go to court. I have never heard of the church giving money away for no reason. Look at all the children that were molested by these sickos and the church still refuses to pay for counseling. Quote: If warren wants to tell ironman details about the assult for everyone to read then why doesn't she share details of those letters? or are those details going to be what the DA of wichita found? (that it was consensual) Here is more news for you She did! Also If you bothered to watch the press release that the DA gave on this case you would have heard her say that it was not a preist abuse case, (She never mention sex abuse case, which it clearly is.) Holding a wowan down and humping her leg is an act of criminal sexual conduct! The Da never said it was consenual, Bishop Jackel did. The Jackel never did mention any penalty that Voelker would face for violating celibacy. Also if you bothered to check anything out, the first thing that you would have discovered is the lawfirm that the DA belonged to before becoming the DA is one that represents the church. Unless you were sexually abused yourself, you will never understand the trama that victims suffer. The actions of the victim are not going to be normal because of the trama. Any normal person would understand this. You might want to contact your doctor's office and tell him that you need a refill for your prescription of ritalin. Coming here and defending criminals is not what this board is for. If you still think that Voelker is a decent guy then you should ask him to babysit your teenage children. Edited by: ironman at: 9/3/06 4:52 pm

Hannahsangel Registered Member Posts: 164 (9/3/06 6:02 pm) Reply

Re: What's the real truth Peggy dear, you have my love and support. I know what these bad boys do to adult women. Judi (Hannahsangel)

Voelker - If people are going to continue this for over a year,
I think if everyone wants to hear the truth then maybe we should start with those answers.

ksn.com/news/stories/10531321.html

Here's what the DA had to say.

The same DA that nailed the BTK killer to the wall.

Ironman

I think Snap is a wonderful organization and I am happy there are people out there to help abused people. However, Snap resources are limited the way it is……

I actually know voelker and I have no problem with him baby sitting any children, teenager or adult, I'm betting i have known voelker for longer than you have known warren so i think you can probably understand me for defending him since you are coming on here defending her when ever she is the one that has all the answers.
I don't fault you for defending her. However your comments are still a little off,
peggy warren is not a teenage, she is a very average looking woman in size/shape. Have you ever seen voelker? i doubt voelker could hold warren down but whatever i'm sure that comment will be disregarded.

Why didn’t she fight? Why weren’t there cuts, scraps, pictures of those, why didn’t she yell for her husband, why didn’t she yell to wake up the kids, if this happened at voelker’s at Seas, which it wouldn’t because another priest lived there, why didn’t she yell and wake up the other priest. She doesn’t have any of that evidence, just hear say and letters she wrote to him and eye witnesses to seeing her in CG and hearing her yell things.

I just find it odd that warren always posts intimate details of what happened,. I’m a survivor and I have been to support groups talking with many other survivors, that’s the hardest part about this, is the details and reliving those, why does it flow so easy for her. Even on this entire SNAP ezboard, no one shares details like her.

the DA's statement that I linked did in fact say that it was consensual, watch it again.
these letters from peggy are not like the evidence of the weapons of mass destruction the US had in going to the war in Iraq. I’m a very educated person, I know wrestling on tv is not real

The DA said no crime was committed. You know everything isn’t a conspiracy theory. Just because the DA used to work for the firm defending the church doesn’t mean she is not going to take her DA job seriously now. There is no evidence that she is bias towards the church. You know what the DA and the Bishop said nothing happened, because those letters. I thank God everyday for those letters because if not he was be fried.

How do you know the bishop hasn’t give Voelker sanctions for violating his celibacy. Although NOT having sex is kind of a stretch but ok, He has had sanctions against him. And I know what sanctions for a fact, I could list them. Why do those need to be made public? Why does he have to be raked over the coals? I know peggy’s just going to tell you that he had a big promotion, so he had a title change, who cares, nothing has changed except his title. No money, No housing, benefits, nothing.

You have no suspicion, none at all? I know there is something in your head now, things don’t make sense, make them make sense Peggy, or stop writing all this.

Misunderstood message

ironman Registered Member Posts: 27 (9/4/06 7:04 pm) Reply

Re: Here's the real truth You don't sound like someone who knows Voelker, You sound like Voelker. Don't come here and tell me what I don't know, because I do. Peggy has shared ALL the details of this case with me . Stating that she didn't let me know about the letters is a LIE.Your remarks are LIES. Maybe you should change your user name to Voelkerlies. If there wasn't any substance to this case, the diocese wouldn't have offered any money. Most of the people here would verify this. If Voelker is innocent? Why hasn't he filed suit against Peggy. I am sure that she would love to have this case heard in civil court. Just becase their are no criminal charges doesn't mean that the crime didn't happen. Once again, Please contact your doctor and get your prescription for ritalin refilled. Take your medication, file suit and leave us alone. Edited by: ironman at: 9/4/06 10:46 pm

rice55 Registered Member Posts: 100 (9/4/06 7:20 pm) Reply

Re: Here's the real truth I just read this garbage. "WHY DIDNT" SHE FIGHT???" I am so @#%$ mad I could kick my computer all the way to Kansas.

ironman Registered Member Posts: 29 (9/4/06 10:03 pm) Reply	Re: Here's the real truth Rice, Here is the way I see it. Voelker has his safe place, (his church), in which to claim his innocence and blame the victim. Peggy does not go there. Now Voelker insists on coming to Peggy's "safe place" to make false accusations, lie about facts, blame the victim and demand that after a year this should stop. Now it is our turn to visit Voelker in Kansas and stage a protest at his church. I will personally be there to accompany Peggy as we talk to reporters and give out copies of his posts. I will keep you informed as this develops so that you can join us in Kansas. See you in Kansas. Edited by: ironman at: 9/4/06 10:47 pm
rice55 Registered Member Posts: 101 (9/4/06 10:52 pm) Reply	Re: Here's the real truth I like that...it's kind of a healing mass. It's a mass of survivors looking to do some healing. Do you think Fr. Abuser should go to confession first? He seems to be interested in Peggy (still)? I think his Bishop should know. I will look him up...there can't be that many in Kansas.
ironman Registered Member Posts: 30 (9/4/06 11:02 pm) Reply	Re: Here's the real truth If you want to speak to his bishop, just call the Witchita Diocese and ask to speak to "the Jackal".
ironman Registered Member Posts: 31 (9/4/06 11:08 pm) Reply	Re: Here's the real truth Quote: Do you think Fr. Abuser should go to confession first? It won't do him any good. He should wait until after we are done. he is going to need it.
cityofangels1 Registered Member Posts: 256 (9/5/06 5:00 pm) Reply	Re: What's the real truth I am amazed at the naivete displayed in the posts of "peggylies" whoever that is such as: Quote: Just because the DA used to work for the firm defending the church doesn’t mean she is not going to take her DA job seriously now Yes it does. I can't believe the DA didn't recuse herself from the prosecution if she had that close of a connection to the lawfirm representing the priest. I'm more and more amazed each day at the amount of corruption and blatant conflict of interests in these cases. This country is truly run by criminals, the ones profiting from the current war for example, who "peggylies" also defends. Those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq are about as real as priest celibacy vows. And the person posting has "known Voelker longer" than Ironman knows Peggy? Are you guys roommates? Sweet. You would let a person accused of and paying a settlement for "unwanted sexual advances" babysit? You must be a priest. Edited by: cityofangels1 at: 9/5/06 5:06 pm
cityofangels1 Registered Member Posts: 257 (9/5/06 5:14 pm) Reply	Re: What's the real truth This is what you find out when you follow the links provided by "peggylies" Quote: ... the church reached a settlement of a little more than $15,000. That legal paper work states the settlement is not an admission of guilt. Bishop Jackels said the church owed her nothing but paid the money out of charity for her to use for counseling. On Tuesday, Warren and others presented the bishop with a letter demanding Father Voelkers removal from the church. Bishop Jackels said Voelkers is not a danger to anyone. "I would not knowingly allow a priest to continue in ministry if he were to pose a risk to anyone." 'nuff said. We've all heard these lies for so long we recognize them: "not an admission of guilt...charity for her to use for counseling"??? Oh yeah, happens all the time. Liars.
ironman Registered Member Posts: 32 (9/5/06 5:20 pm) Reply	Re: What's the real truth The DA's last name is the first name on the firm that represents the Diocese of Witchita. He is not only a priest but he IS Peggy's abuser. (Nicholas Voelker) He keeps blaming peggy for keeping this thread alive for over a year, but if you look at Peggy's posts, she has not said anything about him for over a year. This shows that he is still obsessed with her and he is still a threat to vulnerable women. These are just some of the reasons that we are planning a visit to his church in Kansas. Come and join us, meet other survivors, and help us show these perverts that we will not tolerate their behavior. Edited by: ironman at: 9/5/06 7:16 pm
ironman Registered Member Posts: 33 (9/5/06 7:37 pm) Reply	Re: What's the real truth Quote: "not an admission of guilt...charity for her to use for counseling"??? It is funny how the church twists the truth and lies and expects people to believe it. They admit to the $15000 and say that it was for counseling. Here is the real truth. With the $15,000 settlement there was an added $8,000 that was for counseling. That brings the total to $23,000. Get the facts right Voelker!

Voelker - ok,
This is not voelker, I have known voelker for over 15years.

He kind of computer stupid and he doesn't even have an email address.

He doesn't know about EZ board or that I'm here posting on his behalf.

I will stop posting if that would avoid a protest, I will even delete pervious posts, I don't think a protest would benifit anyone.

I read truthsayers post and I thought that seemed like a good idea,
I didn't think that it might step on the save haven of other victums.


So I guess we can come to an agreement that I can stop posting and delete posts...

ironman Registered Member Posts: 34 (9/5/06 8:13 pm) Reply

Protest against Nicholas Voelker Will Continue Quote: I will stop posting if that would avoid a protest, I will even delete pervious posts, I don't think a protest would benifit anyone. I refuse to negotiate with terrorists. It is too late for that. You should have thought about that before you decided to attack the same woman that you have attacked before. The protest will continue. We won't stop until you are permanently removed from any position within the church. People are easily traced on the internet. You were extremely easy. All of the evidence and details will be revealed to the press, at the protest, in Kansas. Keep posting as it is very entertaining

Voelker - Ok,
This is not Fr. Nick,
this is Fr. Nick's sister.
and you are right, I didn't think about all this before I posted, I was angry, and wasn't thinking.